Reader Question: Being a Femme’s Femme

Hi,
I have a couple of questions. I currently don’t have a label yet, because I am not labeling my sexual orientation until I have a relationship with a woman or encounters in which I can completely label my sexual orientation. But for now, I could call myself bi-curious. So anyways… how would a lipstick femme flirt, attract, or approach another femme? I am having trouble finding femmes that like me. I’m not tooting my own horn, but I am very attractive, and I get a lot of guys, butches and studs approaching me, but never femmes. I don’t understand how I would know that a female likes me and really if she is gay. Also, I should add that my gaydar isn’t the best, but most of the time I am right, but I just don’t know how to approach her once I know. For my last question, where would I go to meet femmes? Currently I live in a pretty big city in KY, and yet I have not met any available femmes. I have even went to a popular gay bar within the city and have had no luck of even seeing single femmes there….Am I looking too hard?

LipstickGirlyGirl

Oh man, I hardly know where to even begin on this one, because your questions touch on so many hot topics within the girls-who-like-girls community (whatever their specific labels may be). The first ones I saw were the issues of femme invisibility—expounded upon by Sinclair of the Sugarbutch Chronicles, Essin’Em, and writers right here on Femmes Guide—of the “lesbian sheep dance” aptly named by Nadia the Kinky Librarian and an issue very close to my own heart: that of tracking down those rare femmes who go for other femmes.

Sadly enough, it’s true. Femmes who like other femmes (whether it be exclusively or in addition to liking butches and/or those who fall somewhere in between) are not anywhere near as numerous as the femmes who like their women a little more masculine. Obviously I’m one of them, and I’m willing to bet that more than one of my fellow FG writers is also at least partly a femme’s femme, but out there in the world of gay bars and queer neighborhoods, they’re not exactly as concentrated as they are here. So chances are, you’re not doing anything wrong. There’s no one method of attracting another femme to you, so long as you’re making your interest clearly known (which goes back to the aforementioned “lesbian sheep dance,” a hilariously named but frustrating phenomenon to be avoided at all costs). Chances are, you just haven’t come across a femme’s femme yet.

Now, as far as approaching said femme, once you have her in your sights. In my experience, my flirting tactic doesn’t change much between butches and femmes. I could tell you that sometimes I have to be a little more aggressive with other femmes since they’re used to being actively courted and wooed by those bold butches, but how stereotypical would that be? I have had to be aggressive with shy butches too, so being bashful is definitely not solely a femme phenomenon. Just go with your instincts, which are probably a lot more spot-on than you realize, and tone your approach up or down in strength as you feel is necessary. Your main goal is get your message of interest across, and then the ball is in her court to either respond favorably or not, depending on if she is into other femmes.
As to your question of where to go to meet other femmes: well, where do you go? Or perhaps the better question is, where would you go to meet new people of the queer variety? It may happen in a gay bar or it may happen at the grocery store, or at a concert, or a flower nursery, or… the options are really endless! The real trick isn’t in going somewhere special; the trick is to always keep your eyes open and to never give up the search. Being a femme who likes femmes, you have certainly got a more difficult path ahead of you as far as finding a partner (either short- or long-term), but it’s not impossible. Sure, femmes don’t stand out as much as a butch usually does, but you said it yourself: you can usually tell. There’s just a certain energy about a femme that makes her stand out from the rest. And someday, probably when you least expect it, one of those femmes will see that same energy in you.

Now! Fellow FG writers and dearest FG readers, what have you to say to LipstickGirlyGirl? Please, chime in with your comments to assist a femme in need! We’ve all been there in one fashion or another; sometimes a few words of advice or support can make all the difference.

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4 Comments

FG

July 12th, 2010 at 10:32 am    

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hey lgg,

as an organizer with a group that was founded for the express purpose of making queer femme-friendly spaces, i would suggest that you begin to organize your own events and intentionally create your own community. i personally know very few queer femmes who want to date other queer femmes, but our group is inclusive of all femmes and has been known to hold discussion groups around what our identities and sexualities mean to us.

this is something that could be organized through your local lgbt community center, or social action outreach committee at a local progressive church/synagogue/college/university, or you could organize it through an online dating community such as craigslist. it might sound preposterous, but it can actually work.

feel free to contact me through my blog if you’d like to talk more about finding community and organizing groups, and in the mean time best of luck!

LipstickGirlyGirl

July 13th, 2010 at 10:05 pm    

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Thank you so much for responding to my questions. I will definitely try to use these tips that you have given me. I have taken a lot of steps to finding more femmes in my community, some have worked greater than others. I have become friends with many lesbians at my college, and they have been a very great support group, but majority of them are butch, stud or femmes that are into butch females (even though they say they don’t discriminate… wink wink…but I think they do). I have even gone to 1 of the only 2 gay bars within the city a couple of times and have had basically no luck at all there. I have even went to the PRIDE Festival, no luck there either. (trust me…I’m not ugly if that’s what anyone is thinking… lol. It’s almost as if the lesbian community is hiding and I feel like I am on an easter egg hunt trying to find them. I often keep my eyes open, but when I think I have found a femme that is interested in me, I really don’t know what to say or do next to confirm the interest. Which just mostly likely is a learning process. I currently am trying to get involved with a lesbian group on meetgroup which seems to probably have some promise in the near future. I hope it goes well, and I will definitely update you both on the progress. Thanks for the warm words of encouragement.

AmandaBear

August 13th, 2010 at 12:13 pm    

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Hey, LGG.
Being a rather femme-ish native of Kentucky myself, I can certainly sympathize with your hunt. Like you, I’m just not attracted to the butch women and I feel that this is a sexual orientation within a sexual orientation, in a way. :) Although the femmes I am into are usually slightly tomboy/dominant (think Xena, Lara Croft, or Pepa from “Los Hombres de Pacos” and that’s my ideal woman lol). But I really think it depends on the city you’re in. Like, if you go to LA there’s a huge community for the femme-lovin’-femmes as well as for the butch-lovin’-butches.

I was really impressed by Chicago’s large and diverse lesbian community. During the two trips I’ve taken there this summer (Pride Parade and Market Days), I saw many feminine-looking women holding hands with other feminine-looking women. :D And I don’t really see “our kind” as a minority either. Truthfully, I think that femme-lovin’-femmes are becoming more and more common these days. If you’re up for moving to Chicago or Columbus, I would say that would be an excellent choice as both cities have pretty large lesbian communities. Or you could always try online dating sites like OKCupid or Match.com. There are even sites out there specifically for femme-lovin’-femmes.

Don’t get discouraged! And I’ll be here to support you all the way. My email address is wunderkind26@gmail.com if you want to talk. <3

Mira Bellwether

August 18th, 2010 at 9:29 pm    

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So much to say on this topic! I was brought up as a boy, but my first girlfriend was a femme. I was lucky enough to keep meeting and dating amazing queer femme women who were interested in me, so femmes make up the bulk of my dating history both pre- and post-transition.

I’ve dated femmes as a boy and as a woman and as a femme, and my experience has been that there aren’t as many differences as you might think. Simply make your interest known in a way that’s direct and respectful and see where things go from there.

I have to disagree that it’s harder for femmes to get noticed by other femmes than by butches. Getting noticed isn’t the issue, you’re sexy and noticeable already. The real trick is communicating that you’re interested in other femmes sexually and romantically as well as socially. What butches and boys have working in their favor is the floating assumption that butches and boys in general like femmes, and if someone doesn’t they are an exception.

We usually don’t get the luxury of that assumption. But on the other hand, it’s really very good for us to practice being direct and asking for what we want.

I’ve also found that it’s not actually very hard to find femmes who date other femmes, or at least not much harder than finding anyone else. The trick is to keep your eyes open and let it be known that you think femmes are sexy. Actively putting out that signal will pave the way before you. On the other hand, if you’re shy or scared of what other femmes will think of your desires, you’ll trip over your own feet and make dating harder than anyone else ever could by saying “no.”

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